Buongiorno a tutti,
I'm a french air traffic controller and I don't speak nor write in italian.
I just want to know how is working the european common ATCO licence in Italy...Do you have problem with it ? What do Italian ATCOs think about it ?
Is this licence going to change your world ?
And what about your Blue Med FAB ?...
I know, I know, lots of questions...but be cool with me, hope you'll give me some italian view from the other side of the Alpes...and again sorry to don't write in italian...
grazie mille di anticipo

(29-12-2009 18:01 )saintex2002 Ha scritto:  Buongiorno a tutti,
I'm a french air traffic controller and I don't speak nor write in italian.
I just want to know how is working the european common ATCO licence in Italy...Do you have problem with it ? What do Italian ATCOs think about it ?
Is this licence going to change your world ?
And what about your Blue Med FAB ?...
I know, I know, lots of questions...but be cool with me, hope you'll give me some italian view from the other side of the Alpes...and again sorry to don't write in italian...
grazie mille di anticipo

Si J'ai bien compris, vous voulez savoir s'il y a quelque chose de changé pour nous avec la licence communitaire.
Apparament pour le moment rien du tout, pour le moment nous avons eu une demande de personel en Allemagne, une dixaine de controleur ont eu un contrat de trois ans, mais rien d' éxepsionel, et rien d'autre. Pour le restant, vous savez ici on suit très peu les travaux qui concerne Blue Med Fab. Il ya a de grande restructuration dans le secteur, mais personne nous informe vraiment, pour convenience ou ignorance de la chose,mais soit on ne sait pas trop ce que tout ça comporte pour le futur. La situation Italienne est très compliquée, probablement on sera informé quand on ne pourra plus intervenir pour changer les choses. Ciao, si tu as besoin de savoir autre chose je suis a ta disposition.

Così però non vale!!!

anyway,even if i didn't face this matter very depth, at the moment the european licence is quite unuseful...if you mean that it should give you the possibility to work abroad.

Because it is not due to an european regulation but to a european directive, so it's not compulsory for every nation to consider it valid.

Moreover many providers request to be fluent in the local language...

The only thing that could be better at the moment, is that medical requirements are less restrictive than italian ones.


...In the end, i think you work in one of the best places to be an air traffic controller in europe, considering contract, salary, rank and quality of life...

I thought that the European directives were oblied application in all the member states. At least, each state should introduce this directive in their law regulations. (I am not a law expert ) If I am not mistaken, here in Spain, the Government was fined because they had not approved a new law about this issue. This is why it should be recognised as a valid license throughout EU countries. Of course, it does not mean that it would imply hiring these people whose license has been recognised.

Saintex2002, you are posting in every ATC European forum, aren't you?? Just kidding!!Nice to reading you here too!!!

Saluti!!!

(07-01-2010 19:09 )papillon Ha scritto:  Si J'ai bien compris, vous voulez savoir s'il y a quelque chose de changé pour nous avec la licence communitaire.
Apparament pour le moment rien du tout, pour le moment nous avons eu une demande de personel en Allemagne, une dixaine de controleur ont eu un contrat de trois ans, mais rien d' éxepsionel, et rien d'autre. Pour le restant, vous savez ici on suit très peu les travaux qui concerne Blue Med Fab. Il ya a de grande restructuration dans le secteur, mais personne nous informe vraiment, pour convenience ou ignorance de la chose,mais soit on ne sait pas trop ce que tout ça comporte pour le futur. La situation Italienne est très compliquée, probablement on sera informé quand on ne pourra plus intervenir pour changer les choses. Ciao, si tu as besoin de savoir autre chose je suis a ta disposition.

Buonasera farfalla,
Félicitations et grand merci pour ton français.
Mais j'ai encore quelques questions, si tu veux bien...
Tu parles de personel en Allemagne, mais ce sont des Allemands qui ont eu des contrats de 3 ans comme controleurs en Italie ou bien ce sont des Italiens qui sont partis controler en Allemagne ?
Est-ce que ENAV a défini le processus d'embauche en Italie de controleurs européens et le processus d'homologation de leurs licences de controle européennes émises hors Italie?
Est-ce que cette licence communautaire a été donné aux controleurs militaires qui rendent majoritairement le service de controle aux aéronefs en circulation aérienne générale ( Tréviso par exemple ) ?
Pour le Blue Med FAB, est-ce que tu sais si la création de ce FAB vous imposera un nouveau contrat de travail ?
La Tunisie, l'Egypte et l'Albanie seront également dans ce FAB ou non ?
J'espère ne pas trop abuser de ton temps...
A bientôt...
E grazie mille, farfalla...

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(08-01-2010 04:40 )Furia Ha scritto:  Così però non vale!!!
anyway,even if i didn't face this matter very depth, at the moment the european licence is quite unuseful...if you mean that it should give you the possibility to work abroad.

So, do you mean no Italian air trafic controller were given that european common licence, and you're still working with your own Italian licence ?
And I'm very sorry, above all because I love Italy, but for me no possibility to go to work like an Italian ATCO cause I don't speak nor write Italian...

(08-01-2010 04:40 )Furia Ha scritto:  Because it is not due to an european regulation but to a european directive, so it's not compulsory for every nation to consider it valid.

I think, you may be wrong...an european directive must be applied in all member state... and for the implementation of that common licence, it must have been done everywhere since May 2008 except for the English level for which the deadline shall be 17 May 2010...

(08-01-2010 04:40 )Furia Ha scritto:  ...In the end, i think you work in one of the best places to be an air traffic controller in europe, considering contract, salary, rank and quality of life...

Well, you know, your quality of life is not too bad, I really enjoy drinking a Montalcino and your rizottos are de Furia...

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(08-01-2010 20:19 )chemi Ha scritto:  Saintex2002, you are posting in every ATC European forum, aren't you?? Just kidding!!Nice to reading you here too!!!

Saluti!!!

Que tal Chemi,
Very glad to meet you here too...
Pero que pasa alli, no para la prensa ???... Y Pepino, tampoco ???... Sois tan malos ???...
A ver si te vistes un poco mejor y logras Eurocontrol la proxima...

My answer was a little bit generic...

From Wikipedia:

"A directive is a legislative act of the European Union, which requires member states to achieve a particular result without dictating the means of achieving that result.
It can be distinguished from regulations which are self-executing and do not require any implementing measures.
Directives normally leave member states with a certain amount of leeway as to the exact rules to be adopted. Directives can be adopted by means of a variety of legislative procedures depending on their subject matter..."

Reading this, i understand that a directive requires to reach a result, but each country can decide in which way to reach it. probably with additional or different requirements and so on.

But i'm not very informed about the way the italian civil authority (enac) transposed it, and if it has completed the transposition!

In the end i suggest you to come to italy on holiday, quality of life is often not that bad...but it's much better in france!

Furia,
Good suggestion...
So, if I plan a new trip to Italy, I send you an MP to ask you the best places to go...

Of course!

But based on the places to see...or on the wines to taste?